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Ramba
05-30 07:28 PM
What is good about it. How will this decrease our current backlogs. This is an amendment to change the merit based system, not solve the current backlog problem.
We cannot judge at this point in time what the final bill is going to be like.
If the merit based system after passage of the bill seem more lucrative then many will re apply under this system and we come back to square one - i.e backlogs
We have to get out of the current problem which will solve a lot of problems.
I hope this amendment will pass as it was proposed by important senators like, Chairman of Judiciary committee Mr Leahy, Mr Cornyn, Mr Hatch. This alters the equation completely. If it passes, the total EB & Merit based visas are 387,000. The total EB visas as per old system will be 230K.
Merit based system: 247K (147 for newly created point based +90 K to clear backlogs)
Employer Sponsored System (as per amendment) = 140K
Therefore 230K is available as per old EB system. Apart from that, most of the EB1 and EB2 guys and the dependents of EB visa holders will be exempted from numerical limitations. This is the proposal we should support.
We cannot judge at this point in time what the final bill is going to be like.
If the merit based system after passage of the bill seem more lucrative then many will re apply under this system and we come back to square one - i.e backlogs
We have to get out of the current problem which will solve a lot of problems.
I hope this amendment will pass as it was proposed by important senators like, Chairman of Judiciary committee Mr Leahy, Mr Cornyn, Mr Hatch. This alters the equation completely. If it passes, the total EB & Merit based visas are 387,000. The total EB visas as per old system will be 230K.
Merit based system: 247K (147 for newly created point based +90 K to clear backlogs)
Employer Sponsored System (as per amendment) = 140K
Therefore 230K is available as per old EB system. Apart from that, most of the EB1 and EB2 guys and the dependents of EB visa holders will be exempted from numerical limitations. This is the proposal we should support.
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siravi
11-14 08:43 PM
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Thanks for taking that step--welcome to our brand new tristate applicants!!
Keem 'em coming!
Thanks for taking that step--welcome to our brand new tristate applicants!!
Keem 'em coming!
SkilledWorker4GC
07-14 01:44 PM
How did you calculate 50k? Just curious.
About 50k might be remaining visas alloted for EB2 India. These 50k are the spill overs from EB1, EB2 ROW and Family Based Unused Visas as well.
In July 2007 Fiasco there have been received about 300k 485 applications. And out of that Say 200k belongs to EB3 because in EB3 it includes India and ROW also. Where as In EB2 its only India and China. Because in EB2 ROW is already current. So I presume about 100k applications are from EB2 and waiting for visa numbers. So this year 50K spill overs +9,800 rgular allotment for EB2, totaled about 60k. So 60k of this year and next year clears off all EB2 applications and make EB2 dates current.
About 50k might be remaining visas alloted for EB2 India. These 50k are the spill overs from EB1, EB2 ROW and Family Based Unused Visas as well.
In July 2007 Fiasco there have been received about 300k 485 applications. And out of that Say 200k belongs to EB3 because in EB3 it includes India and ROW also. Where as In EB2 its only India and China. Because in EB2 ROW is already current. So I presume about 100k applications are from EB2 and waiting for visa numbers. So this year 50K spill overs +9,800 rgular allotment for EB2, totaled about 60k. So 60k of this year and next year clears off all EB2 applications and make EB2 dates current.
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03-03 02:34 PM
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I_need_GC
07-01 07:36 PM
I got a RFE on my 485 on 11th April and I have responded to it. By next week it would be 60 days by which USCIS has to take some decision. What would be the status update as my PD is Aug 2006.
Is it normal to get RFE while PD is not current?
Gopi544 I was in the same boat, I also got RFE when my PD wasn't current and then got approval I think yours is also on the way.:)
Is it normal to get RFE while PD is not current?
Gopi544 I was in the same boat, I also got RFE when my PD wasn't current and then got approval I think yours is also on the way.:)
krishmunn
03-26 12:31 PM
, if they were EB2 candidates why they didnt file on EB2 category at first, if now they think they are qualified then they should start new process.
BTW. they will create a big retrogression for EB2 then EB2 people have to port to EB3
In many cases the question is NOT about qualification of the applicant but the policy of the company -- lump all in EB3 so that the employee stick to company endlessly. If you think porting is unfair, Citizens and LPRs think H1B and entire EB GC process is unfair ...
Disclaimer: I have Never filed in EB3 . My first and only filing is in EB2.
BTW. they will create a big retrogression for EB2 then EB2 people have to port to EB3
In many cases the question is NOT about qualification of the applicant but the policy of the company -- lump all in EB3 so that the employee stick to company endlessly. If you think porting is unfair, Citizens and LPRs think H1B and entire EB GC process is unfair ...
Disclaimer: I have Never filed in EB3 . My first and only filing is in EB2.
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Sakthisagar
07-22 02:30 PM
Religion, politics and language. They are all controversial topics. !
one correction Religon is a private affair, Language too.
When Politics or Politricks drags these two for its benefit, it becaomes a big Frankenstein and it swallows everything.
Baan Politics.
(nothing against any language but the fact is below)
Yes, some of the comments are True. South Indians learn Hindi, and speak also, but not vice versa. the people in North don't even respect the other languages, From Andhra Pradesh, for the People in North every one is a Madraasi! And Bolly wood is not the lone Indian Cinema there is plenty of talent which is more than Bollywood, in India.
Apart from all these factors India is United.. Vande Mataram!
Another Note.
Sanskrit is the ancient and greatest language ever Human beings spoke. If everyone seriously learn Sanskrit there will be Peace in this world. All these languauges derived from this Language.
Padathu Samskritham!
Samskrita Bharati (http://www.samskritabharati.org)
one correction Religon is a private affair, Language too.
When Politics or Politricks drags these two for its benefit, it becaomes a big Frankenstein and it swallows everything.
Baan Politics.
(nothing against any language but the fact is below)
Yes, some of the comments are True. South Indians learn Hindi, and speak also, but not vice versa. the people in North don't even respect the other languages, From Andhra Pradesh, for the People in North every one is a Madraasi! And Bolly wood is not the lone Indian Cinema there is plenty of talent which is more than Bollywood, in India.
Apart from all these factors India is United.. Vande Mataram!
Another Note.
Sanskrit is the ancient and greatest language ever Human beings spoke. If everyone seriously learn Sanskrit there will be Peace in this world. All these languauges derived from this Language.
Padathu Samskritham!
Samskrita Bharati (http://www.samskritabharati.org)
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indyanguy
07-23 07:20 PM
Hi Ron,
First of thank you for all your useful replies. I just want your opinion to convert my EB3 India to EB2.
My details.
PD: June -2003.
Country: India.
Also when can my PD will be current in future. Please suggest.
Appreciate your help.
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I think it would be a good idea to make the move. There isn't enough data available for me to say anything more than it's going to be quite a while before your priority date becomes current.
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Ron Gotcher.
Makes sense to make a move. It might be a while (read few years) before we see EB3-I move to 2003.
First of thank you for all your useful replies. I just want your opinion to convert my EB3 India to EB2.
My details.
PD: June -2003.
Country: India.
Also when can my PD will be current in future. Please suggest.
Appreciate your help.
**************************************
I think it would be a good idea to make the move. There isn't enough data available for me to say anything more than it's going to be quite a while before your priority date becomes current.
__________________
Ron Gotcher.
Makes sense to make a move. It might be a while (read few years) before we see EB3-I move to 2003.
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rahul76
08-15 01:28 PM
My wife is currently with Employer A on her 7th year H-1B which is valid till Sep 2009. She also has her approved labor cert and I-140 from this employer, but decided to continue on my I-485 application. The I-140 however is still valid.
She now wants to change jobs to Employer B using H1 visa transfer. I am guessing she will need to include a copy of approved I-140 with her H1B transfer application. But Employer A is not providing us a copy of the I-140 approval.
Can someone please advise what we can do in this situation? Is a copy of I-140 critical in this situation? Or just a copy of online approved status will be sufficient? Any other ideas?
Thanks!!!
She now wants to change jobs to Employer B using H1 visa transfer. I am guessing she will need to include a copy of approved I-140 with her H1B transfer application. But Employer A is not providing us a copy of the I-140 approval.
Can someone please advise what we can do in this situation? Is a copy of I-140 critical in this situation? Or just a copy of online approved status will be sufficient? Any other ideas?
Thanks!!!
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kshitijnt
04-17 01:08 AM
Guys I need to tell you my story:
Last year HP acquired my company called Knightsbridge. Fragomen is HPs law firm. Everything was going well until we had this monster called fragomen deal with us. My I-140 was approved way back in 2006 and was waiting for a Jun-2005 PD to be current. In July 07, when VB was released, Fragomen suddenly found a problem with labor certifications of around 100 people. They had access to labors from Dec-06. Only they know what they were doing between Dec-06 and Jul-07. In june 07, the PD had moved a bit forward to 2004. That time Fragomen contacted a few employees to file 485. As soon as Julu-07 bulletin came out they suddenly changed their tune. The word "travel required for job" was missing from the labor. Fragomen advised HP not to go ahead with 485. All our arguments were falling on deaf ears. All independent attorney opinions were disregarded and HP decided to take fragomens advise and not to file 485 but to restart labor.
After my new labor got approved, I asked fragomen to apply for consular processing in my case. They tried to escalate it to various levels in HP and pressurise me to file I485. Finally I told my boss, I want consular and also picked up a fight with HP employee not to interfere in my GC process. Because this employee always sings the tune of fragomen. After this, they have not shown any interest in filing my I-140.
After restarting labor Fragomens service is generally upto the mark, however; they are rude and uncompromising, in that they will not share a copy of labor certification or I-140 with employee. To some of my coworkers they will not even bother to respond to him for his 7th year H1 extension despite numerious queries. One of my friends also got better than expected service in that they filed his 485 just 2 days before his PD was moving from current to retrogressed. That is the only one case I have seen with positive outcome in my company. Some employees from my company suddenly went into silent mode after July-07. I suspect, they were given under the table deals to go ahead with old labor. However I can not prove that.
After seeing all this behaviour, I have come to conclusion that Fragomen will give you good service if they see good potential revenue from you in future. Like EADs , APs etc, multiple H1 extensions etc. I think they are very money minded company and feel that they proactively advise employers to go slow on immigration and they also advise employers on how slow immigration could benefit the employer in the long run. They are completely unethical in my personal opinion. When they were describing the situation to our managers in Jul07, they were very insensitive and were showing as if nothing else had happened.
No one was held responsible for this fiasco and all good hard working people were left to suffer. Due to this I have come to despise fragomen and I also despise some big employers who use them. Here is the list:
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, ...... add yours to the list.
Last year HP acquired my company called Knightsbridge. Fragomen is HPs law firm. Everything was going well until we had this monster called fragomen deal with us. My I-140 was approved way back in 2006 and was waiting for a Jun-2005 PD to be current. In July 07, when VB was released, Fragomen suddenly found a problem with labor certifications of around 100 people. They had access to labors from Dec-06. Only they know what they were doing between Dec-06 and Jul-07. In june 07, the PD had moved a bit forward to 2004. That time Fragomen contacted a few employees to file 485. As soon as Julu-07 bulletin came out they suddenly changed their tune. The word "travel required for job" was missing from the labor. Fragomen advised HP not to go ahead with 485. All our arguments were falling on deaf ears. All independent attorney opinions were disregarded and HP decided to take fragomens advise and not to file 485 but to restart labor.
After my new labor got approved, I asked fragomen to apply for consular processing in my case. They tried to escalate it to various levels in HP and pressurise me to file I485. Finally I told my boss, I want consular and also picked up a fight with HP employee not to interfere in my GC process. Because this employee always sings the tune of fragomen. After this, they have not shown any interest in filing my I-140.
After restarting labor Fragomens service is generally upto the mark, however; they are rude and uncompromising, in that they will not share a copy of labor certification or I-140 with employee. To some of my coworkers they will not even bother to respond to him for his 7th year H1 extension despite numerious queries. One of my friends also got better than expected service in that they filed his 485 just 2 days before his PD was moving from current to retrogressed. That is the only one case I have seen with positive outcome in my company. Some employees from my company suddenly went into silent mode after July-07. I suspect, they were given under the table deals to go ahead with old labor. However I can not prove that.
After seeing all this behaviour, I have come to conclusion that Fragomen will give you good service if they see good potential revenue from you in future. Like EADs , APs etc, multiple H1 extensions etc. I think they are very money minded company and feel that they proactively advise employers to go slow on immigration and they also advise employers on how slow immigration could benefit the employer in the long run. They are completely unethical in my personal opinion. When they were describing the situation to our managers in Jul07, they were very insensitive and were showing as if nothing else had happened.
No one was held responsible for this fiasco and all good hard working people were left to suffer. Due to this I have come to despise fragomen and I also despise some big employers who use them. Here is the list:
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, ...... add yours to the list.
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abracadabra102
07-18 04:12 PM
Sc3 and other friends. Here is what has triggered this bad blood on the forum
Apr VB EB2 is U and EB3 is doing well every one is normal exactly like every other VB no surge of threads and replies everything is normal
July VB Eb2 is in Apr 2004 and Eb3 is in U again every thing is normal
Aug VB Now suddenly Eb2 is 2006 and Eb3 is U ( no change) and all of a sudden there is a flood of e-mails complaining injustice against EB3. I think the timing of when Eb3 folks realized injuistice is what ticked off many.
I am not saying every one shares this feeling but just the sheer volumes of posting on this thread speaks for itself. I am sure many do not agree with me (or least pretent not to agree) Any one can query Eb3 injuistice posting before Aug VB and compare it since this bulletin was posted and see the data speaks for itself we do not need any body to prove anything
In fact looking at statistics posted by sachug22 here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265004&postcount=20), it looks like it is EB2 that got shafted all along and finally DOS/USCIS realized their folly and tried to correct the spillover rule starting this april (as explained in July'08 bulletin). This re-interpretation does not affect EB3-I negatively. I do not know why so many are getting riled up over EB2 progress.
Apr VB EB2 is U and EB3 is doing well every one is normal exactly like every other VB no surge of threads and replies everything is normal
July VB Eb2 is in Apr 2004 and Eb3 is in U again every thing is normal
Aug VB Now suddenly Eb2 is 2006 and Eb3 is U ( no change) and all of a sudden there is a flood of e-mails complaining injustice against EB3. I think the timing of when Eb3 folks realized injuistice is what ticked off many.
I am not saying every one shares this feeling but just the sheer volumes of posting on this thread speaks for itself. I am sure many do not agree with me (or least pretent not to agree) Any one can query Eb3 injuistice posting before Aug VB and compare it since this bulletin was posted and see the data speaks for itself we do not need any body to prove anything
In fact looking at statistics posted by sachug22 here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265004&postcount=20), it looks like it is EB2 that got shafted all along and finally DOS/USCIS realized their folly and tried to correct the spillover rule starting this april (as explained in July'08 bulletin). This re-interpretation does not affect EB3-I negatively. I do not know why so many are getting riled up over EB2 progress.
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zephyrr
12-01 09:50 PM
This is indeed a useful thread, reading murthy and immigration-law 4 times/day like the daily puja is not going to change things. Here is what I've been doing for the last few years.
1. MBA from a top 10 school - completed this year (not just because of retrogression..)
2. Picked up Golf (although I have no aspirations to play on the PGA Tour :))
3. Focus my energy on pursuing new hobbies - e.g. a photoblog (I'm into digital photography with SLRs)
4.Volunteering at work (social and other organizations)
5. Apply to Canada as a backup ( On the keyboard of life, always keep a finger on the Esc key. I read this somewhere...)
On top of all this, I applied for a 7th year H1 extension 6 months in advance by paying the premium fees. I've now got a new job offer and am exploring filing a new Perm+140 with the new employer quickly. Some may think it is risky (which it is) - and ditching a 2003 PD is folly of course, but bitching about the GC process and speculating about SKIL - DREAM - CIR won't do much when I'm 40 years old :)
EB2,NonRIR, 2003
45 Day: Oct 2005
LC: no idea, Dallas BEC
140:
485:
1. MBA from a top 10 school - completed this year (not just because of retrogression..)
2. Picked up Golf (although I have no aspirations to play on the PGA Tour :))
3. Focus my energy on pursuing new hobbies - e.g. a photoblog (I'm into digital photography with SLRs)
4.Volunteering at work (social and other organizations)
5. Apply to Canada as a backup ( On the keyboard of life, always keep a finger on the Esc key. I read this somewhere...)
On top of all this, I applied for a 7th year H1 extension 6 months in advance by paying the premium fees. I've now got a new job offer and am exploring filing a new Perm+140 with the new employer quickly. Some may think it is risky (which it is) - and ditching a 2003 PD is folly of course, but bitching about the GC process and speculating about SKIL - DREAM - CIR won't do much when I'm 40 years old :)
EB2,NonRIR, 2003
45 Day: Oct 2005
LC: no idea, Dallas BEC
140:
485:
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rajeever
07-26 06:16 PM
Hi,
I lost my jon w/big software consultancy. I found another project and then applied for H1-B transfer with Indian consulting company. Its been almost 1 month since new company have filed for H1-B transfer and renewal (my H1-B was expring on July 6th, 2009).
so far, i've not received any H1-B recipt. I'm worried about it. I'm also getting married in the last w/e of Nov, 2009. Is it a good idea to file for Premimum processing.
Thanks,
Rajeev
I lost my jon w/big software consultancy. I found another project and then applied for H1-B transfer with Indian consulting company. Its been almost 1 month since new company have filed for H1-B transfer and renewal (my H1-B was expring on July 6th, 2009).
so far, i've not received any H1-B recipt. I'm worried about it. I'm also getting married in the last w/e of Nov, 2009. Is it a good idea to file for Premimum processing.
Thanks,
Rajeev
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04-25 06:57 PM
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07-18 06:49 PM
All I want to know is even today EB1 2008 gets his GC before 2001 EB3 and that is fair to everybody. But the minute EB2 got preference things have become unfair how is that?
There were simply two barriers put by CIS for EB GC one is EB Category (horizontal bar) and Country of birth (vertical bar) Now country of birth is something not in your hands where as EB category is something that you can change (acheive) its in your hands. Come one all of us if we study hard can qualify for EB1 but because of various reasons or circumstances we chose to be in EB2 or EB3 (people who crib about employers or any other reason know in their hearts that i they wanted to change they could have simply they decided to remain happy in what they got)
So instead of asking to mountain to come to mohammed people should take this news positively and see how they can benefit from it. The spill going to Eb3 ROW was not helping any one since there is no way one can change country of birth
Starving any particular queue badly does not help the throughput of any system .
I hope DOS will realise this and change their algorithm accordingly.
Each countries quota is equally divided among all EB categories, IMO, The spill overs also should be equally divided among all the EB categories.
There were simply two barriers put by CIS for EB GC one is EB Category (horizontal bar) and Country of birth (vertical bar) Now country of birth is something not in your hands where as EB category is something that you can change (acheive) its in your hands. Come one all of us if we study hard can qualify for EB1 but because of various reasons or circumstances we chose to be in EB2 or EB3 (people who crib about employers or any other reason know in their hearts that i they wanted to change they could have simply they decided to remain happy in what they got)
So instead of asking to mountain to come to mohammed people should take this news positively and see how they can benefit from it. The spill going to Eb3 ROW was not helping any one since there is no way one can change country of birth
Starving any particular queue badly does not help the throughput of any system .
I hope DOS will realise this and change their algorithm accordingly.
Each countries quota is equally divided among all EB categories, IMO, The spill overs also should be equally divided among all the EB categories.
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waitnwatch
06-09 01:27 AM
All,
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
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Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
gautam.aggarwal@gmail.com
I would beg to differ on the issue of a Merit Based System being good for us and I have a US Ph.D in a STEM field with over 5 years of post degree experience.
I have calculated that a Masters in Computer Science with 5 years experience will get more points than a Ph.D in say Civil Engineering because of two reasons (1) Computer Science is a high demand field and Civil Engineering is not. (2) A Ph.D may take around 6-7 years to get and by the time this Ph.D gets 5 years experience he may be touching 40 and not even getting the points allotted to those under 40.
If you are a professor in Civil Engineering from India or China and even have tenure there is a big chance that you would not get a green card given that there will be a 10% country limit.
Wouldn't you think that such a system would be seriously flawed or do you think that Gautam is correct I am myopic.
IV may have a predominance of non US bachelors in its membership but most of its core have US degrees. So if you look at what IV backs you would find that even though they cannot fit in every individuals tailored requirements they very well realize what is for the greater good.
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
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Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
gautam.aggarwal@gmail.com
I would beg to differ on the issue of a Merit Based System being good for us and I have a US Ph.D in a STEM field with over 5 years of post degree experience.
I have calculated that a Masters in Computer Science with 5 years experience will get more points than a Ph.D in say Civil Engineering because of two reasons (1) Computer Science is a high demand field and Civil Engineering is not. (2) A Ph.D may take around 6-7 years to get and by the time this Ph.D gets 5 years experience he may be touching 40 and not even getting the points allotted to those under 40.
If you are a professor in Civil Engineering from India or China and even have tenure there is a big chance that you would not get a green card given that there will be a 10% country limit.
Wouldn't you think that such a system would be seriously flawed or do you think that Gautam is correct I am myopic.
IV may have a predominance of non US bachelors in its membership but most of its core have US degrees. So if you look at what IV backs you would find that even though they cannot fit in every individuals tailored requirements they very well realize what is for the greater good.
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naushit
11-18 01:59 PM
Actually I made mistake in my math,
$20 (2% of $1000 monthly bill) * 2k ( 10% of 20k IV members) = 40K per month
I guess 10% people with $1000 monthly credit card bill is not too optimistic.. is it?
One simple way to measure this is, lets have poll. ( how do you create poll?) I have never done it before.
poll choice should be
Your preference to contribute to IV
Choices are
1) I prefer to contribute $10/20 cash monthly
2) I prefer to use IV branded credit card, Let CC company pay 2% of my cc bill every month.
3) I prefer Google ads on IV website...I promise to click on 10 ads every day ;)
One important question is, does IV loose any charitable(non-profilt) status by issuing a CC?
-Naushit.
$20 (2% of $1000 monthly bill) * 2k ( 10% of 20k IV members) = 40K per month
I guess 10% people with $1000 monthly credit card bill is not too optimistic.. is it?
One simple way to measure this is, lets have poll. ( how do you create poll?) I have never done it before.
poll choice should be
Your preference to contribute to IV
Choices are
1) I prefer to contribute $10/20 cash monthly
2) I prefer to use IV branded credit card, Let CC company pay 2% of my cc bill every month.
3) I prefer Google ads on IV website...I promise to click on 10 ads every day ;)
One important question is, does IV loose any charitable(non-profilt) status by issuing a CC?
-Naushit.
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eb3_2004
03-04 11:03 PM
Guys,,
This is a good chance..If we get 50 people with 100$ each...we can see where it goes....I pledge 100$ if we can get 50 people..
This is a good chance..If we get 50 people with 100$ each...we can see where it goes....I pledge 100$ if we can get 50 people..
Abhinaym
01-14 03:14 PM
you are half right, the country quota laws were put much earlier than the off shoring companies, but remember that the retrogression only started in the last 10 years when those companies came in the picture and skewed the lines .. that's ur cause and effect!
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
So what? Just because they came and skewed the lines doesn't mean you can choose where you're born or when. the rule is unfair wihtout any reason. there is no graceful solution short of removing the quotas. anyway I doubt fairness is the reason you're so fond of this quota.
Here's a one step way to quit.
1. Accept that the reason you're defending this useless rule is that it benefits you.
I am in software and would be satisfied with resticting this rule to the software field, but feasibility wise, rules won't get micro-tailored this way.
I always tell myself i shouldn't go on with the discussion, but here i go again..
any 12 step process to quit?
So what? Just because they came and skewed the lines doesn't mean you can choose where you're born or when. the rule is unfair wihtout any reason. there is no graceful solution short of removing the quotas. anyway I doubt fairness is the reason you're so fond of this quota.
Here's a one step way to quit.
1. Accept that the reason you're defending this useless rule is that it benefits you.
Since1997
07-24 10:43 AM
I think we can wait till Aug 15th for I-140 receipt and if we don't get that (:( :mad: :confused: ) then we can file I-485 with the mailroom instructions from the FAQ (:) :) )
I don't recomened to wait until Aug 15th...since there may be postal delays/package missings, etc.,...very recently happend to me with UPS overnight (aqfter 3days of investigation - tjhey simply said package is missing)....so guys consider some factor of safety time...i would suggest don't want more than Aug 10th.....
I don't recomened to wait until Aug 15th...since there may be postal delays/package missings, etc.,...very recently happend to me with UPS overnight (aqfter 3days of investigation - tjhey simply said package is missing)....so guys consider some factor of safety time...i would suggest don't want more than Aug 10th.....
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