GCapplicant
06-26 11:57 AM
But Why do you feel the bill would not pass.
If they had used up enough visas...why does it have to be still in Nov 2001.This is insane.Total Insane prediction.
We should not read these type of predictions.
lets be positive.we have to beleive if thats in IV only.
If they had used up enough visas...why does it have to be still in Nov 2001.This is insane.Total Insane prediction.
We should not read these type of predictions.
lets be positive.we have to beleive if thats in IV only.
dagabaaj
02-13 01:30 PM
mind your language.....i just wanted to get an update...there was a big momentum built around passing the i-485 provision and now we are postponing it till CIR....We are also changing lobbying firm....These are two significant changes. First, the initial promise made to members is not being delivered upon and second, we are changing a firm that we have utilized for a year. Are there some problems going on? May be, the firm ditched us.....Look, all these are questions going thru my head....That's why I posted the question....I am bold enuff to ask the questions, rather than sit back and blindly believe whatever is fed to me.....I do not own IV and I don't want to either....
Just a legitimate question amidst all the changes.....
whoa!!!...its getting hot in here....lets all wait for the World cup to finish...maybe India will win and whole scenario will change!!!...just kidding...
Viva...you have raised some valid questions...and understand that you got the answers...lets all have a dedicated goal....Core team please let us know if any...I mean it...any help is required....
Just a legitimate question amidst all the changes.....
whoa!!!...its getting hot in here....lets all wait for the World cup to finish...maybe India will win and whole scenario will change!!!...just kidding...
Viva...you have raised some valid questions...and understand that you got the answers...lets all have a dedicated goal....Core team please let us know if any...I mean it...any help is required....
snhn
09-27 11:45 AM
I probablly know the answer to my own question, but would like to know other opinions. My lawyere tells me this. Since the dates were current when I filed for my I485 in July, the application will be processed regardless of what the dates are right now. Another words, he thinks that even though the dates are showing as 2002, my application will be processed since when we filed, they were current.
is this true. If so, then provided I pass background check in time, i should expect my GC in a year or so. but if I have to wait until 2002 Row becomes current, in my case 2005.. then I am majorlly scrwed...
thaughts.
is this true. If so, then provided I pass background check in time, i should expect my GC in a year or so. but if I have to wait until 2002 Row becomes current, in my case 2005.. then I am majorlly scrwed...
thaughts.
GCwaitforever
06-20 10:27 AM
is UNLIKELY to pass at least in its current form. Public hospitals, underserved area clinics, Universities are not Google and Oracle!!! They'll go under if they have to pay 5000 $ for H1Bs. People probably don't have the faintest idea under what kind of financial strain these are. There will be exemptions for universities and non-profit organizations.
Just so that you know, Medical education is taken out of the eligibility criteria for H-1B visa with this new bill. They will have to go through J-1 strictly.
Just so that you know, Medical education is taken out of the eligibility criteria for H-1B visa with this new bill. They will have to go through J-1 strictly.
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NolaIndian32
06-24 01:07 PM
Called and left message today.
immi811
07-09 12:03 PM
I am wondering if there is any push by the immigrant community to urge US govt to let H4 people to work!!!
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nojoke
09-12 08:43 PM
To the major headache we will be facing. Economy.
It is going to get nasty and there will be massive layoffs. We will have to hope for a quick recovery. Just today lehman, then washington mutual...who knows what is in store next. I heard that car companies are asking for bailouts. We got to end this war and spend the money here on improving the economy. All this money wasted in war is draining the economy...
It is going to get nasty and there will be massive layoffs. We will have to hope for a quick recovery. Just today lehman, then washington mutual...who knows what is in store next. I heard that car companies are asking for bailouts. We got to end this war and spend the money here on improving the economy. All this money wasted in war is draining the economy...
Milind123
06-14 11:48 PM
Vinn,
Here are just a few that I can think of rightaway.
1. Once shifted to EAD you loose opportunity to renew or apply for a new H1B if you have not completed six years though.
2. You have to apply for EAD renewal every year and much in advance. H1Bs are issues for 3 year periods.
3. Suppose there is a delay in getting the renewal, you are NOT allowed to work until the renewal comes through. Renewal duration depends on the work load.
4. Fee of EAD is being hiked to $340 per year.
5. Couple of my EAD starting date was the approval date even though the current EAD had not exipred effectively loosing couple of months validity each time.
6. Due to some issues if I-485 gets revoked the EAD/AP are invalidated the very next moment and you accumulate illegal stay and would not have time to get the process going.
On the other hand having a H1B you can apply for EAD any time or not even apply if you have sufficient validity on it. Suppose the I-485 gets rejected you can reapply for a new one or from an another employer and still work/live legally in the US.
EAD allows you to work any type/number of jobs that is the big PLUS though!
TIA
Great points. Is it possible for the primary applicant to continue on H1 and the secondary/dependant applicant apply for EAD?
Here are just a few that I can think of rightaway.
1. Once shifted to EAD you loose opportunity to renew or apply for a new H1B if you have not completed six years though.
2. You have to apply for EAD renewal every year and much in advance. H1Bs are issues for 3 year periods.
3. Suppose there is a delay in getting the renewal, you are NOT allowed to work until the renewal comes through. Renewal duration depends on the work load.
4. Fee of EAD is being hiked to $340 per year.
5. Couple of my EAD starting date was the approval date even though the current EAD had not exipred effectively loosing couple of months validity each time.
6. Due to some issues if I-485 gets revoked the EAD/AP are invalidated the very next moment and you accumulate illegal stay and would not have time to get the process going.
On the other hand having a H1B you can apply for EAD any time or not even apply if you have sufficient validity on it. Suppose the I-485 gets rejected you can reapply for a new one or from an another employer and still work/live legally in the US.
EAD allows you to work any type/number of jobs that is the big PLUS though!
TIA
Great points. Is it possible for the primary applicant to continue on H1 and the secondary/dependant applicant apply for EAD?
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hebbar77
09-30 01:55 PM
London does not accept travellers with AP. So Virgin Guys had to turn me back from their counter. I was sure about Qatar having no issues about AP so I went back to Continental and said I need you guys to put me on Qatar and thats what they did.
my opinion:
AI : I love my india , but will not fly AI , because I dont want to take chances with once a year vacation I get.
BA : They are prompt service folks , but I cant tolerate their attitude.
Luftansa: Again good, but cant take the attitude.
cathay/singapore/korean/Arab emirates: Nice , can bet my time and money for my travel on them
Others : I dont really care.
my opinion:
AI : I love my india , but will not fly AI , because I dont want to take chances with once a year vacation I get.
BA : They are prompt service folks , but I cant tolerate their attitude.
Luftansa: Again good, but cant take the attitude.
cathay/singapore/korean/Arab emirates: Nice , can bet my time and money for my travel on them
Others : I dont really care.
jonty_11
07-14 12:26 PM
Are we assuming that all the BEC (Backlog Elimination Center) EB2's have already gotten their GCs..?
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snathan
07-22 02:50 PM
Look at the unity in our diversity...for a moment while reading some of the comments I forgot I was in the US and looking at an supposedly elite forum...Bravo!! Keep it up Indians (Tamilians, Gujaratis, Marathis, Bengalis, Biharis, etc..)
One more thing, if you are upset with a person who misbehaved with you (in this case, rudely told you he didn't know any language other than Hindi), then logic tells me I should be upset with that person and not the reason (in this case, language) itself.
I belong to a Hindi speaking part of India, and I have lived in Pune, Bangalore, and Hyderabad. I've had people tell me very rudely to talk in the native languages of these areas and I've tried, sometimes successfully and sometimes, not so much. The rudeness of a few members of the community never led me to form a general opinion. I've very close friends from all over India.
It is my opinion that one should try to learn the local language. It bodes well for everybody and makes life easier. As matured people that we are, I think this is a very trivial issue to fight among ourselves or get emotional.
I never knew Hindi is a local language in US:D Moreover I dont have anything against Hindi or any other language. Its the personal experience with people on more than one occasion.
One more thing, if you are upset with a person who misbehaved with you (in this case, rudely told you he didn't know any language other than Hindi), then logic tells me I should be upset with that person and not the reason (in this case, language) itself.
I belong to a Hindi speaking part of India, and I have lived in Pune, Bangalore, and Hyderabad. I've had people tell me very rudely to talk in the native languages of these areas and I've tried, sometimes successfully and sometimes, not so much. The rudeness of a few members of the community never led me to form a general opinion. I've very close friends from all over India.
It is my opinion that one should try to learn the local language. It bodes well for everybody and makes life easier. As matured people that we are, I think this is a very trivial issue to fight among ourselves or get emotional.
I never knew Hindi is a local language in US:D Moreover I dont have anything against Hindi or any other language. Its the personal experience with people on more than one occasion.
paskal
07-14 10:28 AM
this is sheer speculation.
the actual number is likley to be much much smaller based on the few signals we get from our sources. the visa bulletin is issued by DOS NOT USCIS. DOS as we know (remember July 07?) is trying it's best to get USCIS to use EVERY available GC for the year. that is the most important reason for giving them scuh an extended date for RB2 I/C. it appears that they have concluded that udsing the numbers is more important than FIFO.
whether the overflow goes to EB3 ROW or to EB2 I/C, the fact is EB3 I is going to be the last receipient. i hopw everyone undrestands this. the change in interpretation bu USCIS has not changed the ground facts for EB3 I. ONLY one thing will change those facts- MORE GC NUMBERS, whther by recapture or exemptions or CIR.
the actual number is likley to be much much smaller based on the few signals we get from our sources. the visa bulletin is issued by DOS NOT USCIS. DOS as we know (remember July 07?) is trying it's best to get USCIS to use EVERY available GC for the year. that is the most important reason for giving them scuh an extended date for RB2 I/C. it appears that they have concluded that udsing the numbers is more important than FIFO.
whether the overflow goes to EB3 ROW or to EB2 I/C, the fact is EB3 I is going to be the last receipient. i hopw everyone undrestands this. the change in interpretation bu USCIS has not changed the ground facts for EB3 I. ONLY one thing will change those facts- MORE GC NUMBERS, whther by recapture or exemptions or CIR.
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rklscp
05-21 08:14 PM
Really an interesting issue to talk about. I came to this site via google search. I am in the same boat. I am living in country for 14 years (F1 and now H1) with SSN. My wife never worked here; so she has H4. We have a daughter born here with SSN. We could not get this "stimulus rebate" because we filed "married filing jointly". I understand from IRS site that if you filed "married filing separately" you would get the benefit and you can later on amend your filing as "married filing jointly" (04/14/08). This may be beneficial if you "itemize" your deductions. You will still qualify for excemptions. But, if you do not itemize your deductions, your standard deduction will be halved if you file "married filing separately".
We filed married filing joingly and received our tax returns and no stimulus rebate. Can we re-file our tax return by filing separately this year (i.e. extension/amendment within 3 months?) Has anyone done this? Please let me know.
I would love to a part of any legal battle to raise our concern. Please keep us posted. I plan to check this site regularly. Also, please keep us updated with getting SSN for H4 visa holders.
We filed married filing joingly and received our tax returns and no stimulus rebate. Can we re-file our tax return by filing separately this year (i.e. extension/amendment within 3 months?) Has anyone done this? Please let me know.
I would love to a part of any legal battle to raise our concern. Please keep us posted. I plan to check this site regularly. Also, please keep us updated with getting SSN for H4 visa holders.
gc_lover
09-22 08:17 AM
Yes, and the only reason I see is LAZINESS, COWARDICE, SELFISHNESS AND ATTITUDE
These words have stopped some people from attending the rally, maybe you should not use them more than million times.
These words have stopped some people from attending the rally, maybe you should not use them more than million times.
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walking_dude
10-05 10:04 AM
Story so far ( will get updated as story progresses)
Confirmed
cagedcactus
walking_dude
vs116
amitga
swamy
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Alien
Curious_Techie
nogc_noproblem (added)
bestin (updated)
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Others, please come forward and join us
Confirmed
cagedcactus
walking_dude
vs116
amitga
swamy
oldschool
Alien
Curious_Techie
nogc_noproblem (added)
bestin (updated)
new_horizon (added - confirmed through PM)
lakewalker (added)
GCcomesoon (added)
Waiting confirmation
IV2007
chintu25
psgprasad
Others, please come forward and join us
go_guy123
08-09 12:25 PM
I have never lived in Canada but married to a Canadian citizen so I am writing this with her help and with my limited knowledge. I don't think 50K per year is enough, you may survive but living standard won't be as good, say, compared to Texas (if you are in CA then its different comparison). You pay more taxes, high insurance premiums, clothes are expensive etc. everything is higher. As per my bro-in-law, the sale price of houses in Houston is less that the cost of building house in Toronto (he is a financial consultant in Toronto). I heard socially Canada is better than US and have nicer people.
Heath care is free (not dental, vision etc.) but you eventually pay more taxes for that so if you are planning to bring your parents this could be good but for healthy young family basically you pay more taxes for health of others. Health care can be compared to US but not as good because there is cap on doctor's income (300K??) and many good doctors move to US.
TN is definitely good and hopefully it will remain for Canadian citizens and can be renewed with no cap for maximum years but but your dependents can not work with your TN visa.
I, myself, have applied for Canadian PR and should get it soon but that's just as stand by and won't move there unless I have to.
Yes what you are saying is true. I am not denying that but how long can you stay on
H1B is the question. But yes I also started with 50k but I am moving up. IT salaries are higher. I know banks paying 70K and going even more above 80K. You can also work as independent contractor type unlike H1B. No middle men inbetween and all expenses before tax.
Yes ofcourse US is a far bigger economy. But I was born in India, what can I do. Within my contraints I am looking for best possibility.
When I feel down/upset I look at this video and I feel far better and motivated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQPmY4nIjVE&feature=channel_page
Since your wife is Canadian citizen, basically your downside risk in US is hedged. If things don't work out you can quickly move to Canada. But for others with Indian passport
it is not so. Like I said before I am not against working in US under TN1 or H1B. Just that
I am willing to work under desperate body shopper slave like conditions. If I get position under direct client in H1B its fine with me. In fact when your company knows that you are not that desperate they also treat you differently. Is your wife also born in Canada, if so then it is even beter, you are out of the EB-I trap. You should definiately look for US options.
Long back when we were working under H1B/OPT for a company in US, there was the annual bonus/promotion announcement. And I saw that none (except 1) of the H1Bs got a promotion. Just one H1B got promotion and that person had recent married a US citizen. Basically the company knew that its leverage over him is gone and in order to retain him they need to promote him. It is all a zero sum game my friend.
Heath care is free (not dental, vision etc.) but you eventually pay more taxes for that so if you are planning to bring your parents this could be good but for healthy young family basically you pay more taxes for health of others. Health care can be compared to US but not as good because there is cap on doctor's income (300K??) and many good doctors move to US.
TN is definitely good and hopefully it will remain for Canadian citizens and can be renewed with no cap for maximum years but but your dependents can not work with your TN visa.
I, myself, have applied for Canadian PR and should get it soon but that's just as stand by and won't move there unless I have to.
Yes what you are saying is true. I am not denying that but how long can you stay on
H1B is the question. But yes I also started with 50k but I am moving up. IT salaries are higher. I know banks paying 70K and going even more above 80K. You can also work as independent contractor type unlike H1B. No middle men inbetween and all expenses before tax.
Yes ofcourse US is a far bigger economy. But I was born in India, what can I do. Within my contraints I am looking for best possibility.
When I feel down/upset I look at this video and I feel far better and motivated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQPmY4nIjVE&feature=channel_page
Since your wife is Canadian citizen, basically your downside risk in US is hedged. If things don't work out you can quickly move to Canada. But for others with Indian passport
it is not so. Like I said before I am not against working in US under TN1 or H1B. Just that
I am willing to work under desperate body shopper slave like conditions. If I get position under direct client in H1B its fine with me. In fact when your company knows that you are not that desperate they also treat you differently. Is your wife also born in Canada, if so then it is even beter, you are out of the EB-I trap. You should definiately look for US options.
Long back when we were working under H1B/OPT for a company in US, there was the annual bonus/promotion announcement. And I saw that none (except 1) of the H1Bs got a promotion. Just one H1B got promotion and that person had recent married a US citizen. Basically the company knew that its leverage over him is gone and in order to retain him they need to promote him. It is all a zero sum game my friend.
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nrakkati
03-21 02:20 PM
Great!
With this info, your attorney can easily demonstrate that you were authorized to work for "Employer 2" at all times since last entry in the USA until date of filing for I-485.
There is nothing to worry about, IMHO.
Good Luck.
Thanks desi3933. That's very comforting!
With this info, your attorney can easily demonstrate that you were authorized to work for "Employer 2" at all times since last entry in the USA until date of filing for I-485.
There is nothing to worry about, IMHO.
Good Luck.
Thanks desi3933. That's very comforting!
needhelp!
06-24 12:36 PM
Lets see if we can keep this thread on top with call reports. If you haven't done it yet, do it now!
sundevil
06-20 10:40 AM
That is true!
As for fee increases big companies do not really get hurt, if they need someone and it costs 5K, in their grand scheme of things its not a big number.
Also I am not sure why people assume Big tech Companies want only H1Bs, thats not true, I have had interactions with various levels where they hate having to go through all these attorneys every H1B renewal and ambiguity about their employees traveling. Ideally they would like to get their employees a GC right after they go through PERM. My group had to withdraw 2 offers for Master's students because they won't be able to get H1b till Oct'2008, and we were not looking for just H1B/F-1 employees, but any fresh Grads.
As for GC numbers, H1B cap of 65K was somewhat of a sweet spot for 140K available. Considering not 100% of H1B's apply, but there are other non H1B EB GC applications. So if we club all these and still keep the number to approx 65K and add dependent factor, this 65K*2.X translates close to 140K. Now increase these to 115K and keep the numbers at 140K and no spill overs from ROW for the Point System. Viola!! We have log jam worse than LA freeways, only now some of the cars will never get to their destination.
With lot of consulting people applying for EAD's and getting GCs, they will not be willing to part their hard earned $s. Not implementing H1 restrictions will give a chance to get fresh meat for these blood sucking so called consulting companies, only this time it could be bonded slaves with GCs not in sight.
Ideally we would like to have all these consultant needing companies start hiring permanent employees and put most of the ill intentioned body shoppers out of business. But with this bill these BS(Body shop) Co will find some loop hole(and trust me, Find it they will) and get lifetime slaves through H1B and suck half their earnings rest of the poor souls life. We are scared of the wrong thing, H1B restrictions, instead of worrying about how trapped and helpless thousands of people will be in clutches of these companies. I would rather these people enjoy the freedom and prosperity of India and China, than living uncertain life here and feeding the Leaches of the system.
And everyone is wondering why they are not fighting these H1 restrictions. They wont, this bill is great for them. Its not their 5K for H1, and it comes with hand-cuffs and shackles.
There, I poured my passions out about this issue. Phew :rolleyes:
You will be surprised that even with the restrictions H1b cap will be reached but not in one day or one month but within an year as demand will be there. These restrictions will impact only Indian bodyshoppers who are running just by H1b. Though H1b will be costly if CIR in the same form is passed but Most of good companies will overcome. So if you want to relative number of gc then you need to increase Gc by atleast 50 to 100% from current level.
As for fee increases big companies do not really get hurt, if they need someone and it costs 5K, in their grand scheme of things its not a big number.
Also I am not sure why people assume Big tech Companies want only H1Bs, thats not true, I have had interactions with various levels where they hate having to go through all these attorneys every H1B renewal and ambiguity about their employees traveling. Ideally they would like to get their employees a GC right after they go through PERM. My group had to withdraw 2 offers for Master's students because they won't be able to get H1b till Oct'2008, and we were not looking for just H1B/F-1 employees, but any fresh Grads.
As for GC numbers, H1B cap of 65K was somewhat of a sweet spot for 140K available. Considering not 100% of H1B's apply, but there are other non H1B EB GC applications. So if we club all these and still keep the number to approx 65K and add dependent factor, this 65K*2.X translates close to 140K. Now increase these to 115K and keep the numbers at 140K and no spill overs from ROW for the Point System. Viola!! We have log jam worse than LA freeways, only now some of the cars will never get to their destination.
With lot of consulting people applying for EAD's and getting GCs, they will not be willing to part their hard earned $s. Not implementing H1 restrictions will give a chance to get fresh meat for these blood sucking so called consulting companies, only this time it could be bonded slaves with GCs not in sight.
Ideally we would like to have all these consultant needing companies start hiring permanent employees and put most of the ill intentioned body shoppers out of business. But with this bill these BS(Body shop) Co will find some loop hole(and trust me, Find it they will) and get lifetime slaves through H1B and suck half their earnings rest of the poor souls life. We are scared of the wrong thing, H1B restrictions, instead of worrying about how trapped and helpless thousands of people will be in clutches of these companies. I would rather these people enjoy the freedom and prosperity of India and China, than living uncertain life here and feeding the Leaches of the system.
And everyone is wondering why they are not fighting these H1 restrictions. They wont, this bill is great for them. Its not their 5K for H1, and it comes with hand-cuffs and shackles.
There, I poured my passions out about this issue. Phew :rolleyes:
You will be surprised that even with the restrictions H1b cap will be reached but not in one day or one month but within an year as demand will be there. These restrictions will impact only Indian bodyshoppers who are running just by H1b. Though H1b will be costly if CIR in the same form is passed but Most of good companies will overcome. So if you want to relative number of gc then you need to increase Gc by atleast 50 to 100% from current level.
stucklabor
03-18 12:38 PM
Appu, I found it! Frist's bill says that for foreign applicants with advanced degrees in STEM from an accredited US grad program (no matter when they graduated), notwithstanding the applicant's eligibility for US permanent residence, the applicant can file for adjustment of status if the applicant has an immigrant petition filed under one of the EB categories.
This means that the applicant does not have to undergo labor certification at all! This is because for a person that wants to work in the US is only eligible for US permanent residence if the applicant undergoes labor cert.
See p. 217 of S2454, lines 8-9. This applicant is still subject to the quotas and has to wait for a visa number for approval of adjustment of status.
Both bills allow "special handling" for applicants with advanced degrees who have worked in the US for three years. I am confused about how exactly that works. My brother-in-law is a college prof and he had to go thru PERM labor cert, though they used the results of his original recruitment and didn't have to file fresh ads. So I am not sure if the "special rule labor cert" in 8 USC 1182 (a)(5)(A)(ii) directly relates to Schedule A.
But these applicants don't have to wait for a visa number and are exempt from the quota.
An applicant with a US grad STEM degree and 3 years experience probably can go right to I140/485 concurrent without labor cert and is not subject to Labor cert or any quota.
Yeah, that's the tricky part. I think all professions that require advanced
degrees in STEM have been classified (by Section 406) as Schedule A.
Which means you file ETA form 9089 directly to USCIS NOT to the DOL.
That's the "special labor certification" that the Specter mark-up refers to.
The PACE act doesn't have this provision - it excludes future F4 visa graduates from labor certification but says nothing about the current advanced degree holders. Frist's bill seems to exempt all those with advanced degrees and are employed in their field of expertise from going to the DOL for certification. Plus, if you have been employed for 3 years or more, then the quota doesn't apply and you get a visa number right away.
This means that the applicant does not have to undergo labor certification at all! This is because for a person that wants to work in the US is only eligible for US permanent residence if the applicant undergoes labor cert.
See p. 217 of S2454, lines 8-9. This applicant is still subject to the quotas and has to wait for a visa number for approval of adjustment of status.
Both bills allow "special handling" for applicants with advanced degrees who have worked in the US for three years. I am confused about how exactly that works. My brother-in-law is a college prof and he had to go thru PERM labor cert, though they used the results of his original recruitment and didn't have to file fresh ads. So I am not sure if the "special rule labor cert" in 8 USC 1182 (a)(5)(A)(ii) directly relates to Schedule A.
But these applicants don't have to wait for a visa number and are exempt from the quota.
An applicant with a US grad STEM degree and 3 years experience probably can go right to I140/485 concurrent without labor cert and is not subject to Labor cert or any quota.
Yeah, that's the tricky part. I think all professions that require advanced
degrees in STEM have been classified (by Section 406) as Schedule A.
Which means you file ETA form 9089 directly to USCIS NOT to the DOL.
That's the "special labor certification" that the Specter mark-up refers to.
The PACE act doesn't have this provision - it excludes future F4 visa graduates from labor certification but says nothing about the current advanced degree holders. Frist's bill seems to exempt all those with advanced degrees and are employed in their field of expertise from going to the DOL for certification. Plus, if you have been employed for 3 years or more, then the quota doesn't apply and you get a visa number right away.
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